06/11/2025

The Ruin And Redemption Of The American Prairie

The prairie might just be the most underappreciated landscape in the United States. Beginning in the early 1800s, the majority of these grasslands were converted into big industrial farms. Now, some unaffectionately refer to it as “flyover country.”

Host Ira Flatow talks with Dave Hage and Josephine Marcotty, authors of Sea of Grass: The Conquest, Ruin and Redemption of Nature on the American Prairie, about the loss of biodiversity on the American prairie and those working to restore what remains.


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Dave Hage

Dave Hage is a longtime environmental reporter and author of Sea of Grass: The Conquest, Ruin and Redemption of Nature on the American Prairie, based in Saint Paul, Minnesota. 

Josephine Marcotty

Josephine Marcotty is a longtime environmental reporter and author of Sea of Grass: The Conquest, Ruin and Redemption of Nature on the American Prairie, based in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Segment Transcript

IRA FLATOW: Hi. I’m Ira Flatow. You’re listening to Science Friday.

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Did you know that most of the American prairie has been replaced by farmland? Well, what exactly have we lost?

DAVE HAGE: We’re destroying it about as fast as we’re destroying the Amazon rainforest. It’s an environmental catastrophe, but nobody’s paying attention.

IRA FLATOW: Perhaps you remember the 1971 film, The Emigrants nominated for five Academy Awards. I bring this up because there’s a scene at the end of the film that has stuck with me for over 50 years. The story is about a family of Swedish immigrants who have arrived in Minnesota with grass-filled prairies as far as the eye can see. The farmer, played by the iconic actor Max von Sydow is searching for the perfect plot for his family farm.

He walks for miles through woods and streams and finally sinks a rod into the ground, only to see that the dark, rich topsoil goes down more than two feet. He carves his name into a nearby tree, falls asleep underneath with a smile on his face. Now, I’m reminded of this iconic scene because today, the fertile American prairie might just be the most underappreciated landscape in the United States. Beginning in the early 1800s, the majority of these grasslands were converted into big industrial farms.

Those rich, deep, dark soils, well, they’re mostly gone, along with many of the birds, the bees, the bison, and an ecosystem that has vanished and been transformed over the centuries. My next guest have detailed the loss of biodiversity in the American prairie and those working to restore what remains. Let me introduce them. David Hage and Josephine Marcotty are long-time environmental reporters and the authors of Sea of Grass: the Conquest, Ruin, and Redemption of Nature on the American Prairie. They’re based in the Twin Cities, Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota. Both of you, welcome to Science Friday.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: Hi, Ira.

DAVE HAGE: Thanks, Ira. Delighted to be here.

IRA FLATOW: Do you remember that scene in the film? Did you see that film?

DAVE HAGE: I do remember that scene. And what I remember is that Karl Oskar’s wife, the great Liv Ullmann is homesick. She keeps wanting to go back to Sweden, but Karl Oskar has fallen in love with the prairie and thinks he can become a millionaire farmer out here in this fertile, fertile land.

IRA FLATOW: All right. Let’s start at the very beginning. What makes a prairie a prairie? What is the definition of a prairie?

DAVE HAGE: The word you want to remember is it’s dry. You have the Rocky Mountains on the West, which when rain storms, clouds move in off the Pacific Ocean, they collide with the Western front of the Rocky Mountains. And very little moisture gets over the mountains onto the plains and prairies beyond. It’s a little more wet in the East, states like Illinois, Indiana. And it gets drier and drier as you get into Montana and Wyoming close to the mountains.

And very few plants can survive or thrive on that little rain. It’s a bitter, hostile climate. It’s 100 degrees in the summer. It’s 30 degrees below zero in the winter. And the one plant that is perfectly suited for this hostile climate is grasses. They have deep roots. They’re used to dry weather. They survive wildfires. And so it became the sea of grass.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: So the other thing that makes the prairies so interesting is that in the West, where it’s very dry, all the grasses are very short. And they’re more sparsely scattered across the ground. But the further East you get, the more rain you get. And so 150 years ago, the tallgrass prairie was so tall, that people couldn’t stand or see over the grasses. And they had to stand on the backs of their horses to actually see where they were going. And that difference is really just about wetness and rainfall.

IRA FLATOW: I learned in reading the book that less than 1% of the tallgrass prairie is left. How did this happen? Give us a brief history here.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: The tallgrass prairie is where there was enough rainfall and enough rich soil for European settlers to come in and turn it into agricultural land. And if you recall, this was a time of a huge population push across the continent of the United States. But this was the genesis of the American dream, where you could take your family like the immigrants did in the movie, and move to a place, and set down your stake, and start farming and become wealthy. And many people did do that.

DAVE HAGE: The result is that frontier colonial farmers plowed up 300 million acres in less than a century. That’s one sixth of the continent was converted from this wild, unkempt prairie of grass and flowers into a tidy gridwork of highly productive farms.

IRA FLATOW: And now the remaining prairie further West, that’s getting uprooted too?

DAVE HAGE: When we talk about the shortgrass prairie, this would be states like Montana, Wyoming, Western South Dakota. And what happens is that the plows stopped around 1900, 1920, stopped at about the 98th meridian, which is Eastern Kansas, Western Minnesota. And most of the colonial settlers on the frontier decided that it was just too dry to grow the crops that they wanted to, corn and wheat.

And so it became cattle country– you think about Montana and Kansas– because the only thing that would grow there was shortgrass. And so, for better and for worse, by that quirk of history, the Western prairie remained in grass after the tallgrass prairie was plowed up. And what happened about 20 or 30 years ago is that the seed companies and chemical companies started introducing seed hybrids, and fertilizers, and pesticides that enabled farmers to plant those crops, soybeans, corn, wheat farther West.

IRA FLATOW: Wow. And of course, they then mix that in with all the fertilizer they throw on. That gets washed away too, right?

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: Yes so fertilizer is what they call a slippery element. It’s very difficult to apply the right amount of fertilizer that a plant needs. And so what happens is that the excess fertilizer becomes dissolved in water, either groundwater or surface water. And then you have nutrients in the lakes and streams. And that can change the ecosystem entirely.

And it also pollutes the water for drinking. And that is also the reason why we have a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico is because all the fertilizer throughout the Mississippi basin, all the excess fertilizer gets washed out of the soils and into the streams. It all ends up in the Mississippi River, where it flows down and out into the Gulf near New Orleans, where it can create a dead zone where nothing can live because of the excess nutrients.

DAVE HAGE: A lot of people are surprised when we talk about this, but the EPA, US Environmental Protection Agency, has said that agriculture is now the number one source of pollution in the nation’s rivers and a leading source of pollution in the nation’s lakes. Even here in Minnesota, the land of 10,000 lakes, there are counties where there’s not one lake that’s safe for children to go swimming because they’re polluted with nutrients, and algae, and so on.

IRA FLATOW: That’s amazing. Let’s move from lakes, which are some of my favorite subjects, to insects. I mean, the Midwest is known for staple crops like corn, and wheat, and soybeans, as you mentioned. But you visited, Josephine, watermelon farms in southwestern Indiana to understand the decline of the insect population. Tell us about what you learned there.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: So the food that we eat comes from crops that has to be pollinated by insects. Field corn is wind pollinated. And soybeans, they self-pollinate. So it’s really the food that we eat, like watermelon, or cantaloupe, or vegetables, and fruit that need insects for pollination. And decades ago, people who grew those crops could just rely on the natural processes that insects and flowers have been doing for millions of years to create food.

But over time, as corn and soybeans became the dominant crop across the Midwest, the pesticides and the lack of diversity in plants has greatly reduced the wild insects that we have. So the monarchs, the wild bees, flies, all the insects that you can think of that pollinate gradually declined. So now we have places like Southwest Indiana, where they grow watermelons, and cantaloupe, and squash, where they need insects to pollinate the crops.

But they’re what they call a sea of corn and soybeans, where there are very few places for insects to live. So as a result, over the last two decades or so, they began hiring beekeepers to come in with their domesticated honeybees to pollinate crops. And that has become an industry in and of itself.

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IRA FLATOW: After the break, is it too late to save the American prairie?

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: Only a few things could make a big difference in protecting the grasslands that we have.

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IRA FLATOW: Dave, we’re all aware of the iconic bison of the American West once vastly covering, but also on the verge of extinction a century ago. Tell us what their role– what’s their niche in the prairie ecosystem?

DAVE HAGE: Well, as your listeners will know, bison became almost extinct. Teddy Roosevelt commissioned a naturalist to go West about 1900. And they could count only 20 or 30 bison left on the Great Plains after there had been a population of 20 or 30 million. The reason why bison are important today is that bison and grasslands evolved together over thousands of years. And grass needs ungulates like bison to grow well. Bison move around the land.

They crop the grass short, which stimulates further growth. They fertilize the grass with their droppings. They spread seeds as they migrate across the land. They attract other creatures, prairie dogs, and birds that are all good for the grasslands. What happened is that bison are safe from extinction now. There are many thousands. But as Josephine writes in the book, most of them are raised as livestock. They’re raised on ranches in corrals and sent to stockyards to be slaughtered for meat. The cool new movement that we found that’s happening today is returning bison to the land in a semi-wild setting.

In addition, there are now 30 or 40 Native American reservations that have tribal herds. That’s spreading rapidly. They’re taking these magnificent bison from Yellowstone National Park and establishing tribal bison herds. And that’s a triple win. It’s saving bison as a wild species. It’s restoring the grasslands. And on the reservations, it’s restoring and rescuing this endangered Native American culture of the Plains tribes, the history, the rituals, the religion. It’s just a magnificent trend that’s taking off in the Northern Great Plains.

IRA FLATOW: That is cool. Let’s talk about something else that we often hear about. And those are the birds, the birds that live there. Give us an idea about what the state of the birds are. And I want to play first one of the most iconic sounds of the prairie in the Western meadowlark.

[BIRDS CHIRPING]

Boy, that is so soothing. Isn’t it?

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: You can hear them talking to each other. Yeah.

DAVE HAGE: It’s so beautiful. People ask, why did we fall in love with the prairie? It’s so barren, and empty, and bleak. And the first thing that I always notice when we’re driving out on reporting trips, you step out of the car, and you just hear this chorus of songbirds. It’s meadowlarks, and bobolinks, and finches, and warblers, red-winged blackbirds. The birdsong is just beautiful out there.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: It’s funny. The people who work in grasslands, they talk about LBJ’s, which is a little brown job, which is the common bird you see there is a little brown job because they tend to disappear into the grass. But they all have lovely songs. But what is shocking, though, is that the State of the Birds report came out recently, which was a report by a number of conservation groups. And one of the biggest declines since 1970 has been grassland birds. 43% decline in grassland birds just since 1970. That’s when I was in high school, I mean, just in my lifetime.

IRA FLATOW: Is this Silent Spring all over again?

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: People have said so. But it’s not as hopeless as we’re making it sound. Only a few things could make a big difference in protecting the grasslands that we have.

DAVE HAGE: There’s a great researcher in Iowa, Lisa Schulte Moore with her STRIPS project. And she showed that if you just took 10% of cultivated farmland in Iowa and converted it to prairie strips or buffer strips, grassy strips at the edge of a field where they catch the fertilizer, they catch the other farm chemicals. And they stop erosion before all that can get dumped into the creeks. And as Josephine said, it doesn’t take a lot of change.

We met outstanding ranchers in South Dakota and Montana who made modest changes to their grazing practices. They adopted something that’s called rotational grazing, where you move the cattle to mimic the way bison used to move naturally. And with very modest changes on those cattle ranches, you see the grass coming back healthier and more diverse. You see songbirds coming back on those ranches. You see the full range of prairie wildlife starting to return. So rather modest changes can make a huge change, whether it’s water pollution, climate change, wildlife preservation.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: So we have a chapter in the book about an organization in Iowa called Practical Farmers of Iowa. And this is a farmer-led educational program where farmers teach each other practices to preserve the soil. I mean, they know that they have a resource that cannot be replaced.

IRA FLATOW: It’s a carbon sink also, isn’t the soil? It preserves carbon.

DAVE HAGE: The world’s soils are the largest single carbon sink on Earth. And people in the Midwest know this. If you go out to dig your garden, sink your shovel, and turn over a shovel full of soil out here, it’s black. It’s inky black. And the reason is it’s full of carbon. Grasses have been sequestering carbon in that soil for thousands of years, which makes it extremely rich, and fertile, and wonderful. But it also means that if you plow it open, you’re releasing carbon into the atmosphere. And you’re making climate change worse.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: And that is an ongoing problem because we’re still losing a million acres a year of grassland to cropland.

IRA FLATOW: A million acres. Do you feel then with these losses versus with some farmers who are adapting different habits, do you feel hopeful that you’re going to regain what we’ve lost or at least stop it from losing it?

DAVE HAGE: I’d say a little bit of each, Ira. We’re destroying it about as fast as we’re destroying the Amazon Rainforest. It’s an environmental catastrophe, but nobody’s paying attention. So that struck a note of urgency and alarm with us. But the more time we spent out there talking to farmers and ranchers, the more we came across these remarkably encouraging stories.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: We were talking about this when we were writing the book and trying to answer that very question. And what we came away with was this idea that there are 1,000 points of disconnected lights out there, that people all over the country, all over the Midwest and the West are doing something on the land. And it’s hard to measure the overall impact of that so far.

IRA FLATOW: And I want to thank you for your book, and for your work, and everything that you’ve been doing.

JOSEPHINE MARCOTTY: Thank you, Ira.

DAVE HAGE: Thanks, Ira. Really nice talking with you. Thanks.

IRA FLATOW: Dave Hage and Josephine Marcotty are environmental reporters and the authors of Sea of Grass: The Conquest, Ruin, and Redemption of Nature on the American Prairie. They’re based in Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota respectively. One thing before we go, next Tuesday, June 17, we’re going live from the ocean floor. And you can come along with us. It’s a live stream event. You’ll get to explore the deepest part of the ocean, the Mariana Trench.

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