09/12/25

Teamwork Between Species Is The Key To Life Itself

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Side view of an impala with a black bird on her neck, looking in her ear
An impala with a red-billed oxpecker on her neck in Kruger National Park in South Africa. Credit: Shutterstock

Codependency between humans gets a bad rap. But in nature, species often rely on each other for survival. While humans think they’re in control of relationships between other species, like dogs and even the yeast for our breads, the opposite is often true.

Host Flora Lichtman speaks with ecologist Rob Dunn, whose new book, The Call of the Honeyguide, argues that mutualisms are the story of life itself.

Read an excerpt of The Call of the Honeyguide:What Science Tells Us about How to Live Well with the Rest of Life.


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Rob Dunn

Dr. Rob Dunn is a professor in the department of applied ecology at North Carolina State University and the author of eight books. He lives in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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