10/06/2025

Moth Survival Strategies And A Rodent Thumbnail Mystery

Kangaroo rat thumbnail
A thumbnail on a kangaroo rat. Credit: Missagia et al

If you’re a moth trying to stay uneaten, there are competing strategies. Some moths rely on camouflage, trying to blend in. Other moths take the opposite approach: They’re bold and bright, with colors that say “don’t eat me, I’m poison.” Biologist Iliana Medina joins Host Flora Lichtman to describe a study that placed some 15,000 origami moths in forests around the world to investigate which strategy might work best.

Then, mammologist Anderson Feijó and evolutionary biologist Rafaela Missagia join Flora to dive into another evolutionary conundrum: why so many rodents have thumbnails.


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Segment Guests

Iliana Medina Guzman

Dr. Iliana Medina Guzman is a Senior Lecturer in the School of BioSciences at the University of Melbourne in Australia.

Anderson Feijó

Dr. Anderson Feijó is a mammal curator at the Field Museum in Chicago.

Rafaela Missagia

Dr. Rafaela Missagia is an assistant professor at the University of São Paulo in Brazil.

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